Regina has many songs with Biblical References... Lets talk about that! haha

..No seriously, I'm super interested in this because religion has always been apart of my life and I really love how Regina incorporates her ideas and understanding of the Bible into her music.

her beliefs confuse me so much. haha well i guess not. but its just wierd how shes jewish, yet she knows more about the bible than i do. but im not religous. ahhh idk shes just very smart! i love the "all the nonbelievers they get to eat dirt, and the believers get to spit on their graves" haha

"You know what the bible says..
Don't put a stumbling block in front of someone who can't see.
Don't put a beautiful body in front of someone who's hungry." -Long Brown Hair

Thanks for the new thought-inducing topic!

Dust to Dust

I can never quite tell whether she is singing about Adam and Eve in a modern sense or singing about modern people in a garden of Eden sense!

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Originally posted by chanvb09:
its just wierd how shes jewish, yet she knows more about the bible than i do.

how is that weird? I would hope she knows a lot about the Bible, since the Jewish faith is based on the Old Testament of the Bible. Of course, they don’t refer to it as the Old Testament. It’s called the Tanahk, but it’s the same thing. It’s a bit complicated and I’m not Jewish nor a religion major, but essentially Jews don’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied about in the Old Testament. They await a Messiah, but it will not be one who will fulfill the prophesy the way Christians believe Jesus did. Uh, anyway, long story short, they believe in the old testament, but not the New testament.

well, still, either way she knows a lot. but thanks for the info!

I'm not sure with Dust to Dust, but I know she definatly sings about Joseph, Mary and Jesus in Hero in a modern sense.

I think maybe Dust to Dust can be applicable to any couple anywhere since the only reference from the bible is: "I was calved from your rib".
Which indicates Adam and Eve but I don't think Regina was singing about them directly.

And yeah the Jewish people are probably the most well educated people when it comes to the Bible (old testement anyway).

Not positive on this one...but Lounge, the part about her standing there a web of skin and nails and hair, it seems like I've read something similar to that. I think in the Old Testement there's a passage about the requirements for a man wanting to marry a female prisoner of war. It says that she can't bathe or cut her fingernails or hair for a certain amount of time and at the end of the time he can see if he still wants to marry her.

This is all from a vague memory, I've taken Bible classes every year since 4th grade so no telling where its coming from.

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Originally posted by BitsOfBone:

I think maybe Dust to Dust can be applicable to any couple anywhere since the only reference from the bible is: "I was calved from your rib".
Which indicates Adam and Eve but I don't think Regina was singing about them directly.

I tend to agree that it could be applicable to any couple. However, when I listen to the song a lot of times I sort of pictured Adam and Eve having this argument. Like Adam is angry/sad that Eve induced him to eat the fruit and sin. The whole Dust to Dust part happened when God was punishing Adam in the second part of Gen 3:19- For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

The song is so beautiful in a really sad way. The end of any relationship could be, but I can’t imagine how they must have felt to commit the first sin causing their close relationship with God to end. Then being upset with each other, and each guilty in their own heart.

obviously this is a biblical referance in Dust to dust, but i never saw it being specifically about adam and eve's relationship. i saw it as the girl trying to persuade the guy back into the relationship nonchalantly by saying she was carved from his rib...she was his eve, made specifically for him, made form his own rib.

right now im listening to hero, and earlier i had a converstaion with amanda about the biblical references in it, i think the whole song is biblical or christian referenced. original sin was adam and eve eating the apple from the tree and causing the first disobedience of god. i see the "he" in "he never ever saw it commin at all" as adam and the song is from his perspective. this wonderful god gives you all this great stuff, and wonderful love, and you disobey him once and he takes away your whole world. and i love the "open wide here comes original sin" to me its defiant, and rebelious. like now that weve sinned once fuck it, we might as well just sin all the time, almost like getting back at god. and "no ones got it all" everyone sins. and the "power to the people we don't want it we want pleasure" after finding out the fun of sinning, they don't want the lords glory any onger, they want to have pleasure despite the consequence. "but were going to these meetins but were not doing any meetin" to me this seems like church services, everyone sits in church but doesnt listen to the sermon, dont listen to the underlying message. "were trying to be faithful but were cheatin cheatin cheatin" because of human nature they cannot be faithful to god and the bibles teachings, all because of original sin. plus i think the "saved" in that song referances how you must biblically be saved and accept jesus to go to christian heaven. and the song is almost saying, to me, that were above the law, i dont need to be saved to go to heaven. the insecurity that adam might have had after realizing he is always going to one step behind because of original sin, almost like he is reassuring himself that he is going to heaven despite his defiance, and he keeps saying everyone else does it. (at this point in the song, you can hear the despair in her voice as if showing how desperite adam was)

that is just my view on the song. but i see it as very religious material if not biblically referenced.

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"but were going to these meetins but were not doing any meetin" to me this seems like church services, everyone sits in church but doesnt listen to the sermon, dont listen to the underlying message. "were trying to be faithful but were cheatin cheatin cheatin" because of human nature they cannot be faithful to god and the bibles teachings, all because of original sin. plus i think the "saved" in that song referances how you must biblically be saved and accept jesus to go to christian heaven. and the song is almost saying, to me, that were above the law, i dont need to be saved to go to heaven.

That whole part sounds so much like how my life used to be, and I totally agree with your interrpretation of that song.
I don't know if the song comforts me in my rebelion or convicts me of my sin.

There is so much I want to say about that song, but I feel that if I start I wont be able to stop, so I will leave the lid on.
It definatly effects me in a strong way

Hero, yeah, I hear you Bits of Bone. I hardly know where to start. I agree with a lot of what Perks said. I feel that this song is about Christianity, although not explicitly stated.

The open wide here comes original sin part, though, I don’t see as defiant. It seems more like compliant. Like you get original sin just like you get food, it’s given to you, like when you’re a baby. It’s just a part of your life because you’re living.

The song kinda reminds me of this one part of a DC Talk song-
The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today
Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle.
That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

My one question is, who do you think is the Hero?

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My one question is, who do you think is the Hero?

I have to agree with Perks, and say Adam. I think the whole song is sang from his point of view, and at the end when she's singing:
"I'm the hero of the story don't need to be saved"
I always picture Adam saying it to God, almost like he's reminding God that he was there before all the shit happened (the original sin) so he's above redemption... Or something along those lines anyway, I'm no theologian!

Okay, I’ve still been wracking my brain on this one and I’ve got nothing good. Makes sense, if the ''open wide'' part is defiant, for Adam to be the Hero. If it’s compliant, than who the Hero is, is a mystery to me still. I’ll side w/ you all for now.

I also noticed that Begin to Hope seems similar to Hero, with a more positive tone.
And it's alright
If you eat all the apples from the knowledge tree bowl
The fact that they're plastic shouldn't deter you at all

Again, I feel that this is a rejection of the notion of original sin. The apples are plastic and, therefore; inedible or at least not real, meaning that even if Adam or anyone ate them it wouldn’t necessarily confer sin onto everyone. Still, there are a lot of problems in the world, and we don’t always act the way we know we should ''forget to stand up straight.'' I think she is saying that it is not particularly good to become so wrapped up in yourself that you ignore the problems in the world. ''You might forget that the world’s so sad. You might forget that things are awful bad.'' However, it’s not healthy to dwell on those problems or your own shortcomings with a defeatist attitude. Ultimately we need to be responsible to take action for ourselves (grab our sharpies!) which she seems to be pinning in diametric opposition to original sin.

i wikipedia'd "the fall" of mankind (another way of saying original sin) and i found it interessting it said that the story of original sin was not incorperated into the torah.

you think the christians made it up to scare little children?

Yeah it’s weird. The Jews and Christians read the same things but interpret them so differently. I’m Christian, and when I went to college I started giving serious thought to the idea of original sin because of some of the classes I took. In my mind, I guess, I never actually understood things to work that way. I mean understand the concept, but it doesn’t make sense. It just seems so irrelevant to me. Like, who cares if Adam tainted us all, every one of us would’ve given in to temptation and done something displeasing to God in our lives anyway. It almost seems that the only thing original sin is good for is to condemn babies and children under the age of reason who couldn’t actually commit a sin. I also think there is a lot of difference between Catholicism and Protestantism regarding original sin. I know Catholics believe in the immaculate conception. This is supposedly how Mary was conceived without original sin. To me, well, I don’t believe that either.